City and County of San Francisco Thursday, February 13, 2014

begin shortly.

>> the regular meeting of the

government -- sorry. Good morning. This meeting will come

to order. This is the regularly scheduled meeting of the government audit and oversight committee. I am supervisor

breed the chair of the committee

to my right is supervisor tang.

Supervisor chiu will join us

shortly. We have our clerk and

I would like to thank the

arkansas -- sfgtv for this

meeting. Do you have any comments? >> please silent all cell phones and items will be on the board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated.

>> thank you. Can you call number one.

>> item one is a resolution approving and agreement with the nonprofit owners' association for administration/management of the established property-based community benefit district for period of board approval of June 30, 2021. >> okay. Actually this is an

item that supervisor chiu is

presenting on so maybe we can

have a motion to move to the

next item until he gets here.

>> [Inaudible]

>> yes. Just one second. Actually we can probably start

on the hearing for the pedestrian safety. Okay.

>> item two is a hearing for the pedestrian safety advisory

committee to report on its activities in twiew 13 and goals

for 2014 in light of the on going and grave concerns about pedestrian safety in san francisco.

>> okay. Mr. Ben horn who is the executive director of -- do

I have the right person? >> mark [Inaudible] Chairman Of

the pedestrian safety committee.

>> okay. Thank you. There we

go. So we have zach marks who is the Chairman Of the

pedestrian safety advisory

committee. He will lead this

presentation.

>> is there a way to turn on the computer? Perfect. Hello supervisors. Thank you so much

for having me here today. I am

zach marks Chairman Of the committee. Sadly san francisco

is the most deadly city in

california for pedestrians and

on average cars hit three pedestrians. With 21 pedestrians killed last year

alone the status quo is dadly

and simply unacceptable and with

the fourth fatality on gen ess

and pacific san francisco is set

to exceed 35 deaths this year so simply the numbers are going up

and not down. Serving agthe

representative to the board of

supervisors the committee is

composed of citizens of parents

and seniors and advocates victims, people with

disabilities and a muni driver

and yes bicyclists. So when I

joined p sac and took over in

January last year the committee

was in some respects in disaway

and violated sunshine laws and roberts rules of order and not

show up to meetings and the

committee was insatisfy and

inefficient and served as a

rubber room and come in one r

once month and this issue is

very important and I decided to lead the committee down a new

path so you will see a list off the objectives

and I will go over the

accomplishments during 2013 and

do this and outline the work

plan for 2014. So beginning

with our accomplishments we had

55 guest speakers last year which averaged fiech presenters

at each meeting. We have a new

app for smartphones and have 20

people serving on the committee

and I want to thank supervisor

tang for bringing a new member

in and we have a room the chamber and we sent seven formal letters advising the board of supervisors last year and provide a quarter and annual

report to the report and issue

two condemnations last year and

we asked the mayor's task force

to reconvene. In addition we persuaded the sfpd to post tax

on the website and we have a

booth at street events and also

by attending walk to workday

events. We have been given the

important responsibility of

leading the promotion and

implementation efforts of the mayor's safety strategy and have two meetings a month, one out in the committee and established a new subcommittee and well

represented at meetings including the mayor's task force and the transportation committee

and we asked the sf mta to

install crosswalks at fill more

intersection where a pedestrian

was run over by a car. So now I

would like to move on to the

work plan of 2014 which is a 10

point plan and focused and lays out goals and benchmarks that we need to achieve to make our committee more successful and

effective so number one we

really need to increase the influence of the pedestrian safety committee to ensure that agencies and the departments

cooperate and respond to our

requests. We are an untapped

resource that needs more visibility and the ability to

effect change in the community

and we will change the bylaws

and advise the code to set in triggers our effectiveness and we're interested in transitioning a commission. Another way we can be more

effective is if we establish a budget. We recommend that

funding is provided so we're able to afford promotional

materials and go out to the

community and we have done this

with the mta. We have a liaison

and insure that projects can be

vetted in the process to avoid modifications or surprises. We will hear from diverse groups and speakers and communities to increase the participation in

the meetings. We would like to

advocate projects at the mta

like vision zero -- yes. So we

will continue advocating projects we supportad sf mta and improve the outreach and encourage the members to

participate in all of the

meetings and hopefully achieved by giving members concrete

actionable plans and monthly reminders and progress reporting

. Number six we need

to receive collision data from the sfpd and participate in

sting operations and we're in the process of reconciling their

systems and methodology. When

this is completed a report will be released and we can determine how many people were run down by cars last year in san francisco.

We recommend that the sfpd have a safety and law enforcement course and we will reach out to

the captains and the local community police advisory boards

at each district station. We will continue promoting

pedestrian friendly policies by participating in events like sunday streets and walk to

workday. In addition we will

host a public safety forum at

the first conkreegzal church on

February 27 in conjunction with the democratic club. We have

tasked with leading the

approximatelyity and billity of implementation of the mayor's

safety strategy and we recommend

actively pursuing funding independent of the mayor's 2030

task force recommendations for

ballot measures. Even if the

measures are passed only 51% of

the pedestrian strategy would be

funded. Shockingly the sf mta's

budget allocates more money

towards office supplies than

staffing and 17 half percent --

and the operating budget sets aside 5 million for small

equipment and office supplies.

However only 3.4 million to build these projects and

$168,000 for staff focusing on

pedestrian safety. Number 10 the board should require industry collision information

be passed out as part of the daily summaries released to the press. They refuse to include this information because they claim it would be too difficult. However, we believe that pedestrian collisions are not accidents and need to be treated as such so in conclusion I want to thank you for the opportunity to present our annual report and

the work plan for the committee and work

together and make a difference in this deadly issue and my

promise is speak for the victims to effect meaningful change. Thank you very much.

>> thank you Mr. Marks and if possible we would like to make

sure that we have this report,

the initial report, as well as the powerpoint presentation attached to the agenda item so that the public has an opportunity to review it as well. >>I will send that to you today. >> thank you. Colleagues, are there any questions? Supervisor tang. >> just one question. I know you had mentioned you would like

for some additional -- actually

minimal funding to pass out

promotional materials and have

you had conversations with sf

mta? I know -- or the ta they perhaps have promotional materials and maybe see if there could be collaboration.

>> in the sf code it directs the

mta to give us -- provide additional funding staff

resources so we did just get a

$300 budget from the sf mta so we have $300 now. >> great thank you. >> thank you. Supervisor chiu.

>> is anyone from the sf mta to

talk to these issues?

>> this is neil patel our liaison. >> I want to thank you and

you're colleagues on p sac for

your work. I know in recent years there were questions raised with the challenges facing the committee as well as the working relationship they had with the sf mta and I want

to talk about that. I know we

have neil who has been doing a great job recently and doing this but want to understand how the working relationship is going and the commitment to making sure there is good

citizen input into these policies. >> he's going to present after he's done.

>> okay. Well let's hear from your presentation. >> I just had one question about

the budget similar to supervisor tang about promotional materials

so can you -- I know that there's one of the things you

mentioned is you would like for the mta to be -- to include you at the beginning of the process

so that you can provide recommendations, so what's happening right now?

>> we do have a better working

relationship with the mta right

now and neil patel is the

liaison and goes to the meetings and we appreciate including us in the projects however there are some projects -- and this

isn't the fault of the mta and

the vision project and we had a presentation but we find out

once they're announced in the news and not before the projects are released and so we would like to be included in the planning process.

>> okay. And I guess the other question I have is the information around additional funding because there is funding for mta for outreach, for a number of the things you would

like to do as a volunteer advisory committee that you know those kinds of opportunities can be made available or there I am sure could be a better

relationship so we're want

allocating additional money but

better using the existing resources effectively.

>> so neil and I have met and spoke about this at length and I am sure he can tell you more about that.

>> thank you and thank you for coming today and presenting and

as you know we're all trying to

make sure that we find ways to

deal with what we consider an

extremely important issue in our city especially around public safety and we're doing everything we can, members of the board, and we appreciate the work you all have done to bring us to this point with this report so thank you. >> thank you.

>> okay. So neil patel from the mta if you would come up and

provide us with your presentation as well address

some of the issues that were brought up by the pedestrian safety advisory committee. >> absolutely. Good morning

chair, supervisors I am neil

patel project liaison with the

sf mta. I started my stint in the pedestrian safety advisory

committee in July of last year

and definitely made a commitment to bringing information to projects that liveable streets

were working on early in the -- the whole life span of the

projects. We're one of the

empplepting arms of the mta that does most for pedestrian safety

however this is a city wide

issue. Every department does something to improve public

safety so I think I made great strides to get information and

send invites to the members so they can hear other community members perspectives and

according to zach margs comments we made great strides including

them earlier in the process. In

regards to the budget and the

funding for outreach and zach

marks did put in a request for

$300 for outreach and sunday

streets, having a banner and

things looking nicer and after talking to our director ed reiskin we secured that funding.

I believe a check has been cut

and if it's not to Mr. Mark it should be there soon. We ask

there be a report how the

funding is utilized just as an

invoice of sorts and we're more than happy to request other

requests for funding if there are specific needs or recommendations from this

committee.

>> thank you. Colleagues any questions? Supervisor chiu.

>> a couple of questions and I know we're having a conversation about vision zero and I am glad you're in the role you're in and

as you know there have been not

only we're in a crisis point in

terms of public safety but we had little interaction between

the transit group and the

advisory group and that's great

you're doing it. It talks

about 44-miles o injury corridor and there are many more and what

is the strategy based on the new numbers.

>> the walk initiative which I believe you're talking about

identifies the san francisco

streets where half of the injuries are occurring so we're identify whag is causing the problems on the 70-miles and develop the counter measures to

solve the issues happening on those streets. Right now we are

developing a list of projects and intersections and corridors across the city and we will bring it to every supervisorra

office so you can get a better

picture of what is happening in

your district. Beyond that our

board of directors last yeek at

their workshop did approve a

resolution in support of vision

zero and we put our hat with other agencies to increase

public safety and it's a tough question to really understand

what it would take to get to zero pedestrian deaths in a year? It's definitely a

question we want to be at the table to solve with every city agency and the mayor.

>> and you will come out with budget numbers as well what that would take?

>> I believe so. I will have to

get back to you -- check with

staff of the actual measures we're taking whether we're asking for a specific increase in funding to reach that. >> from my perspective we all know it's one thing to talk about goals. It's another thing

to put our money where our mouth

is and vin r invest in that and

I would like to know the numbers

and the trade offs and we need to understand what would it be

cost to be smart in spendingly

budget dollars to do that. >> absolutely. >> one question that has been a

pet peeve of mine for a while

there are supposed to be a dozen agencies working 2-g9 thinking about public safety and we are told they're working together to figure this out but there is not one agency driving this. There is no pedestrian czar, no one

really in charge. Do you think

that's a fair statement? Is the sf mta from my perspective be

the agency in charge? Are you driving this? From my perspective it's different from

being at the table and driving

and being accountable for the

results. What is your thoughts

about the governance here?

>> absolutely and walk first came out with many plans with

public safety and this is an implementation plan looking at

the 70 scmiels a collaboration with controller's office, public health department and planning and the sf mta so it's absolutely a collaborative environment to look at what is happening on our streets and what can we do to move forward

in terms of plent so I think we have made strides? This effort.

>> who is in charge?

>> the mta is in charge for the

most part. We are tasked with

the individual projects and collaboration with them. Some require collaboration but for the most part we will do the planning work and the implementation and finding the funding securing the funding through our budget or of the grants to actually make the improvements.

>> I appreciate that and when i asked this question several

years ago none of the

departments stepped up and said we're responsible for this and unless there is a department that has the responsibility for being in charge of driving this it's hard for us as policy makers to find out who is accountable to us to get this

done so I appreciate your answer. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> thanks. Supervisor tang. Okay. I just have -- can you

tell me where the mta is on

approving the -- or hearing the vision zero plan at their

commission meeting?

>> sure. So the -- following supervisor jane kim's

introduction at the committee

level mta staff did draft a resolution and brought to our

mta board of director on

February 11 -- sorry last week

at our all day workshop so that resolution was approved and shows support for vision zero in addition to out lining the steps we're taking with infrastructure

improvements, education and new and existing iferts related to bus drivings and large vehicles

around the city and detailed projects we're doing as well as some of the methods and it was approved and I am happy to share that actual resolution with you all.

>> thank you. And so the other

thing that I want to bring up is really the data. Specifically when I first started as supervisor one of the things

that we were able to do is find

a creative way in order to put

cameras at two of our really

deadly intersections on octavia boulevard and

market where cars were making

illegal turns and oak and octavia and I was opening to

make sure -- I was hoping for

data -- not necessarily today, but moving forward a comparison

of the number of accidents and other things that have happened in that intersection and whether

or not there was a real decline

as a result of installing the cameras and the point I'm making is I would like us to do that as

a city on a regular basis, and

to identify 20 of the most deadliest intersections especially in more recent years

there are certain ones that are more challenging than others and

what are the numbers and what

are some fixes that can be

immediately implemented to maintain the particular intersections and whether the dollars attached to those and hopefully we can get that

information sooner than later. I know that supervisor kim recently did a really simple fix

-- I think it was about $16,000

to put a bolder and a tree and

something else that helped to

change the dynamics of a particular intersection. This

morning I was watching the news people behaving badly and

behaving badly on for example

van ness section of the -- one

of our intersections would make

you cringe. This is happening

everyday but when we make the changes you have folks driving that complain about back up and

traffic but on the other end they're treating our streets

like freeways and the one way streets like freeways and dollar

was a change on farrell street and was a one way and changed to a two way and understanding the

number and it is changes and the

impacts as to these changes so

that we can have an

understanding of whether or not

these impacts are working and how we can implement some of the changes more rapidly in other parts of our city, so that's

what I am looking for sooner rather than later, some

immediate fixes, and of course long-term planning but some more immediate fixes to one of the challenges we're having, so just

wanted to let you know that.

>> absolutely and we actually

presented to your office a few weeks ago the overall picture in

the district where the most

serious and fatal collisions are occurring and we have

solutions and could be bulb outs or camera enforcement and we will come to you all of the supervisors in the next weeks. >> I appreciate making the changes in my district specifically but we definitely have to be aggressive city wide because the whole city is impacted by this as you know and we need to move a lot more faster. >> absolutely. >> thank you for being here today. >> thank you.

>> I just wanted to acknowledge that we have commander ol I here from the san francisco police department. I wanted to give you an opportunity to come up

and talk about some of the recent enforcement that has been

happening. I personally have experienced it on a couple of

occasions where I am blocked in because your officers are giving tickets to motorists and I was happy to patiently wait because it's important that we

do that and we hold people

accountable because folks need to behave appropriately and obey the law and I know it's a

challenge for you and you of beat up a lot, but you're just doing what you need to do to enforce the law to make sure people are safe so tell us a little bit about that. >> >> thank you. I think we're

going to get beat up more as we

obviously increase the number of enforcement. I will start off

by saying we saw an increase of

48% in enforcement citations, traffic force citations issued January 2013 to January 2014 and

that speaks volumes in terms how

we have prioritized traffic

enforcement as our aspect of dealing with the issue of pedestrian safety and traffic safety period. There are a

number of other things that we

have done in the department. As mta takes the lead it's a matter of making certain that we

provide as much data that we can. We are effectively the

source of which the data comes,

in terms of where the traffic

collisions are taking place. In

July of 2013 we embarked on data

sharing and data base with mta as well as the department of public health that allows for

immediate access of our data

unfortunately that process is still a paper driven one in terms offed police department generating a police report.

We're moving in the direction of instant population of collision

data into a central source but

in the interim we have this

system that's working. What it does effectively is decrease the

time that it takes to have the

data compiled u analyzed and reported. Our prior reporting

every time was through the state

wide traffic integrated system and mandated by law and every agency has to. There

is a turn around on that time as

every agency is providing it. What our system decreases the turn around time. We're hoping

to the point where the decreasing and turn around time

is a matter of days. Interesting enough as I sit in

the audience I received an email

from our cio susan merit who indicated now we have the ability -- the police department

has the ability to inn instantly map collision locations. >> >> as it relates to calls from

the public so when you call 911

and report a collision, whether it be injury or non collision we

now have the ability to instantly map that. The benefit is that our leaders in the police department, our captains of the district stations, now

have the ability to sit at their computer and see where collision

vs taken place in the last four hours, the last 24, the last

week, and that allows them to direct resources to those areas

as appropriate and I think it's

an incredibly huge step towards

making the data real time and

this in turn is going to help in terms of our traffic engineering, having this information as well, so these are some of the things we're

doing. The biggest cog in the wheel that we focused on is enforcement and we're doing that

and as that increases we will

get beat up more so we're

hopeful that the complaints of inappropriate citation issuances

don't we have better things to

do than give people tickets for

speeding or not adhering to the

rules of the road? When those

come in agency the officers we're hoping all that said we need to increase it come to bat for the officers so they feel

supported in that effort. >> thank you. So supervisor tang has a few questions. >> just one quick question. So you mentioned the new mapping

capability. I wanted to know

would that reflect all types of collisions so whether it's

pedestrian and auto or auto and audio? Is it all encompassing.

>> yes it is and anytime there

is a reporting to the department of emergency management we have

access and pull the data from

the cad system and map it out so that key with effectively so what is taking place. If you

look as a google map and hover

over the location either the cad which is effectively the accounting of the discussion between the dispatcher and the caller that will show up and if

there is an instant report that

has been written than that report in some cases should be

available as well so it gives

the leadership of the organization that much more

detail so that we can direct

our

resources as most appropriate. >> okay. Supervisor chiu.

Okay. So I just wanted to go into depth a little bit about

some of the enforcement.

Clearly vehicle force is higher

than any other enforcement that you're doing with your officers. Is that accurate?

>> that's accurate. Just in

january our total citation

issuance reflected I think about 94% to drivers.

>> okay. Then can you also

explain some of your enforcement efforts for bicyclists?

>> sure. Well one of the things

i think is most effective is

actually doing what we cull effectively sting operations and we will go to a intersection and

the officer will act as a civilian crossing the roadway

and those that do not yield to

the pedestrian in the roadway are stepped and given citations.

the other effort we're doing as well as need enforcement. In the corridors that we have seen the highest levels of speed we

have officers with the latest

technology called lidar and effectively laser detecting of speed opposed to the radio wave.

i don't want to go too deep in

the technology but it's the newest technology and it's accurate and we are doing that

and we have a number of operations throughout the city.

When we know the most problematic intersections we're

focusing on that as well but

there has to be some flexibility

in terms of when we're seeing a

problem. Grove and van ness was never deemed a huge problem in

terms of collision and yet now

we saw two this year so some attention needs to go there as well. We have to remain flexible but at the same time

focus our efforts on the known problematic areas.

>> and you have the data for where those most deadliest intersections are in the city?

>> we do. What we relied is the partnership with department of

public health and mta. We provide them every collision data and this is through the shared data base.

>> and you do that without them requesting it? >> yes. >> okay.

>> this is a mutual agreed providing this. They do the analysis and

the last report came out in 2012

and now that we have this system

in place -- interestingly enough

it only covered up to 2011 and

issued in 2012 so there is a

period of time we simply didn't

have the data now that we have

the new system I expect the new

report from mta cover remaining

2011 and 2012 and all of 2013 and should be out soon. I know that's in the works. >> and lastly can you explain to me I have heard there are a number of senior who is are

mostly the victims and can you just explain to me what pattern

is there out there in terms of

who the victims are in these cases?

>> a cursory analysis of the demographics of victims shows

that you have significant number

of elderly and potentially immigrant population that are affected by these collisions and as a result some of the things

we're doing is public service announcements, much more

community engagement in terms of the safest way to cross streets.

We don't want you -- in addressing the educational need

for our seniors and others who

use our roadway in terms how to

be safe about crossing the

street by no means that is getting the drivers and the bicyclists off the hook for the speed and the collisions but you civilly have to be safe. As you cross the street you need to look left and right and left

again and then you prosee.D we

teach our children to wave at

the driver as crossing street and creates a larger picture for

the driver to see and May not see the 2-3 foot person at this

point and with that there is a increased information that the district captains are providing

the public in terms of the mets

of being safe as well as direct

engagement with populations that

are obviously disproportions

atly A.M. Pact the by the collisions. >> I appreciate the answers and supervisor chiu has a question. >> I have one question and a

comment I want to thank you for the increased number of

citations in the area and as one

policy maker and many of my colleagues would join this and until we achieve vision zero we need full enforcement on the

streets of all of the actors on

the road and we know drivers to pedestrians and cyclists are all participating

on the streets. I have a question around the conversation

around the idea of a bike

traffic school. As you know

this is an idea successfully implemented in other

jurisdictions and has had buy in from local stakeholders including the cycling community, the san francisco police

department, our court system as

a way to educate cyclists as to

what they need to doo on the road and help folks challenged

with paying the tickets to go to

a school. The hold up as you know is with the san francisco police department and I have

spoken to your chief approximate

about why the data flow is not implementing this is a timely manner. What is the status of the work in your department on this? >> from the last discussions

with the court we identified a

method of deferring if you will

the bicycles into the programs

and the samear drivers. The person gets the titation. They

go to the courts. They enroll

in a school and in this case a diversion program. Bicyclists

unlike drivers are not impacted

on their records. Bicyclists

are motivated to go to school

and doesn't show in the record and their insurance doesn't

increase so the question is what is the motivation for a bicyclist who is is given the

fine and has to pay the fine and still involved in a diversion

program so the last discussion

was the court looking into

researching how many the fine was discretionary and could be absolveed in some fashion but the police department at this

point is ready and prepared to

move in a direction of a diversion program and supporting of it. It's not just in the business of managing that process which historically that the court vs done.

>> why don't I suggest that we need to take the conversation

off line and that's not what the court said and your department hasn't been able to implement

this and they're ready to go so

I would like to convene folks again to have this conversation but we were under the impression that the police department is trying to figure this out. Why don't we take the conversation off line but I would like it done in a timely manner. >> sure. Thank you.

>> thank you. >> okay. Thank you commander

ollie. I appreciate it. So we

have quite a few speaker cards

and supervisor chiu needs to --

we need us to go --

>> [Inaudible] >> okay. Thank you. Okay.

Sorry. All right now I got it

under control. So we're going

to -- colleagues any further comments or questions about the

hearing? So we will go to

public comment. We have nicole from public sf who is here. Public comment will be two minutes.

>> hi thank you supervisors. Nicole snyder from walk san francisco. I think you all

raised a few important questions

and as you know we have been

working with the coalition of

partners with community organizations on vision zero and

working with your departments,

your agencies, mta, sfpd to figure out how to bring vision zero to reality. How do we make it not just a vision but a

reality? And one of the things that they're focused on right

now is how do we take what's been committed to across all of

the departments and make them

into a plan, having ownership,

have a time line. We're excited about the walk first plan.

What's the timeline to get

there? What does mta fleed to

get there? We want to see more funding in the budget, more bike safety in the budget and where

is the project delivery? What's the timeline for these projects

and how are they being held accountable. Supervisor breed talked about progress and we are

excited about that in terms of public safety and how can we

also do that with mta? I think

we also want to talk about -- we also want to prioritize the high injury corridors. Supervisor

tang we had one death recently

on sunset, three on van ness.

These are the most dangerous

streets in the city. We have

plans to improve the streets but that won't happen for years and

how do we fast track that through the crisis intervention team and collaborate? These are

questions we're really interested in hearing the answers to. Thank you.

>> thank you. So I have a few

speaker cards and I will call a

few names and if you can line

up

Calling speakers:  

. Come on up.

>> thank you. My name is john

[Inaudible] And a member of the pedestrian safety advisory committee. I appreciate this

session and the report I would

like to give commentary on is

both given by the chair of p sac

zachary marks and response and

additional points by commander

ollie. My point I shared with

supervisor yee and david campos

and eric mar on the hearing on January 16 with the police

commission was the need for what

is not being incorporated in

police collision reports.

Traffic collision report 555

does not allow in this space for

the responding officers to cite whether or not any party had a

disability so the report that

you approved for the strategy

did not incorporate any

components based on data from the police department on pedestrian collisions with

people who had pre-existing disabilities in them, so I ask

you to work with the police

department to revise the

collision reporting form. It

has been done by los angeles. Otherwise cities in the state of california use the california

highway patrol form so there is precedence for san francisco police department with your input and also from the pedestrian safety advisory

committee to revise the traffic collision report to state

whether or not any party in a

collision had a disability that relates to the collision. They

did not know -- it was not

reported that armstrong who met

-- who was a fatality at octavia

and market that he used a

wheelchair. It was not cited in

the collision report cited by

the officers at that time in November.

>> thank you. I apologize some

of the names we had were people

for item number three. Some of

them didn't have who they were here for so apologies. Anyone

that wants to speak on this

hearing today? Any other

members of the public? >> good morning supervisors. My

name is douglas yap and I have

lived in san francisco for 62

years so this topic does

interest me. In my opinion the board leadership and the mayor's

office have been way too timid

in this subject area. In effect it's all reactive, not very much

proactive. If you want to make this an issue that gets everyone's attention I would

like to suggest that the board

and the mayor's office work

together to declare a state of

emergency in san francisco in regards to pedestrian safety and authorize the chief of police to

do anything and everything to

stop the problem, and we would

like to suggest that the media

inform the residents of the bay area through different newscasts

that this is priority number one. In other words, pedestrian

safety is a lot more important than water waterfront

development. If you take the

time to spend on water front development and translate into

pedestrian safety I am sure we won't have human bowling balls all the time. Thank you. >> thank you. Anyone else from

the public that would like to

make public comment about this hearing? Seeing none public

comment is closed.

[Gavel] Colleagues any other comments? I just want to thank everyone for coming to the hearing today to talk about this really

important issue. I know that other members of the board of supervisors are working with mta

to come up with strategies on

how we can move more swiftly on

dealing with issues around pedestrian safety and around

public safety in general on our

streets. I do agree that we are

taking a reactive approach to

this particular problem and we

as a city need to do better about being proactive which is why I am excited about the vision zero plan and make sure that we look at dollars to match our efforts. I know that mta is moving forward with a number of

plans but I do think that it is

important that we be more

aggressive about dealing with those serious dangerous intersections so thank you for the time. Thank you to the pedestrian safety advisory

committee for your volunteer service and for consistently

meeting to try to address these

issues. Thank you to Mr. Patel from the mta and working with

the community and they're the

voices and we want their voices

heard and community outreach and

educating people is especially important and the seniors who

are sadly the victims in many cases. Commander ollie thank you. Continue to write those tickets. I know folks are not

happy about it but I will tell you that enforcement changes

things, and I have noticed a

change in certain areas of my

neighborhood as a result of

consistent enforcement, anticipated enforcement and that definitely changes behavior. If folks are concerned they will

get a ticket for speeding or get

a ticket for running past a red

light or a stop sign or what have you they're less likely to

do it and ultimately I did know

you're giving tickets to anyone breaking the law and if anyone

has a problem with that don't

break the law and I know it's a strong stance to take but people

are dying on the streets and we

cannot contribute to that behavior that create the problems and thank you for

coming to the hearing today and any other comments supervisor chiu, supervisor tang? Thank you. Can we file this hearing

to the call of the chair? >> would you like to file or continue to the call of the chair? >> continue to the call of the chair. Thank you. >> motion to continue the

hearing to the call of the chair. >> okay. Any objections? Seeing none motion passes.

Thank you again. Madam Clerk

can you call item one.

>> item one is a resolution approving and agreement with the nonprofit owners' association for administration/management of the established property-based community benefit district for a period commencing on board approval to June 30, 2021. >> okay. Supervisor chiu.

>> thank you Madam Chair. You

may know that we approved this district and stakeholders to improve and turn

around the corridor this. Is a

resolution to approve an agreement with the nonprofit for administration and management of

this and I would like to ask staff to comaik comments and

thank the members of the public that are here and worked hard on this issue.

>> good morning supervisor breed and supervisors. I oversee the community benefit district program for the city. Like supervisor chiu said this

resolution will allow the city

to deposit funds to the top of broadway cbd and have been delivering service for the last

months and this funding and deposit will bolster their activities in the community. With your recommendation to the

full board that will allow us to

deposit the funds in March and

we anticipate approximately $105,000 throughout this fiscal year to be deposited to them.

If you have any questions I am happy to answer them.

>> thank you. Okay. So we're

going to now open this up to public comment. Are there any members of the public comment

wishing to speak on this item? >> good morning scprfers thank you for your contribution of this resolution and agreement.

I am ben horn and executive

director of the top of broadway community benefit district and

we went through a process to

have a board of directors of a diverse group and property

owners and had a meeting and incorporated and establishing three advisory committees to the services performed. We are providing cleaning and safety services thanks to the generosity of one of the board members. However in order to

continue to deliver the service

without interruption the top of

broadway cbd needs the funds

clekded and they will provide markets services to the district as well as streetscape improvements. Thank you for your time and support of this resolution.

>> thank you. Next speaker. >> hello supervisors and good morning. I am stephanie

greenberg and President Of the

board of director for the top of

broadway and I want follow up on

ben's comments and thank you for

your support. Since we incorporated and prior to that

time we have been working diligently that the organization

is working with the management

plan. And we hired an executive director that you just heard

from, ben horn, and we have

written and approved city charters and have functional committees and subcommittees and

we have concluded a successful rfp process and hired professional security and cleaning service for the district and because we have made this investment in operations for the district it is critical at this time that we

do start receiving assessment

funds so we can continue moving

forward with our goals so my hope is that committee will see fit to move this resolution fferd and recommend approval of this resolution by the full board of supervisors. Thank you

so much for your time and I hope

to see all you on broadway. >> thank you. Any other speakers on public comment? Seeing none public comment is closed. Supervisor chiu any additional comment? >> no. I want to thank everyone for working hard on this and ask the colleagues to move this

forward with approval and full recommendation. >> thank you. Is there a motion? >> I will make that motion.

>> you move the motion. Second. Without objection the motion

passes. Thank you so much.

okay. Can you call item three.

>> item three is ordinance amending the police code to make unclaimede personal property, including unclaimed bicycles, worth $500 or less available to the human services agency for use in programs designed to prevent juvenile delinquency and programs to benefit low-income

and transit challenged residents . >> okay. Supervisor avalos

isn't here but I hear him coming

in the background. We will welcome supervisor avalos to the meeting. We just called your item.

>> sorry a little bit late. There are a lot of kids running

around the hall today so I get side tracked by cute little kids. Thank you for being here and colleagues for calling this item and hearing this item. I

am really proud to be working on

this ordinance with few

community organizations, the

bike coalitions and others. The idea behind the legislation is

to really make sure that we can

promote really healthy

alternative to automobiles and

limited access to transit get

greater access to bikes and promote healthy lifestyles and

have access to bikes that can

help promote their own well being and make an impact on the environment and take cars off

the street and promotes -- reduce the carbon footprint of

our transportation in san

francisco. Since 2012 we -- the city has partnered with

community based organizations on

a series bike builds and they

provide low income youths with refurbished bikes. This program has distributed over 400

bicycles to san francisco youth.

the number of bikes on streets

increased but the outer neighborhoods and excelsior and

bay view and parts of the mission are behind the city core

and we want to expand the opportunities to these areas

that don't have the greatest

access f we're going to reach

our goal of 20% bike trips by 2020 that President Chiu supported and all of us promoted

we need to increase access to bikes especially low income neighborhoods in the outer

neighborhoods and this is a great program and partnership --

we am hear about it in a second with the video from the police department that support this

legislation make sure that

unclaimed bikes, bikes that are

sitting in a warehouse for a number of months and years can

find a home and be useful and

change lives around. When I was

a young person I didn't have a

bike from the age 12 to 18 and

the bikes I had were lent to me by friends and having the

opportunity to get around on a bike changed my life dramatically. I was able to see

my town, go to games, go to

work, and I had a much greater sense of freedom and opportunity

then I would have expected to

have. For a lot of low income

youth in san francisco these bikes can provide that opportunity and transform their lives and access to economic opportunity that is often lacking in certain neighborhoods

of san francisco. The videos we mentioned are workshops to help

young people -- we have a video

and help them learn bike skills

to get a bike that hasn't been

claimed and to actually promote

safety so helmets and gloves and lights are distributed as well

to the participants in these and

that has an impact on oifer all

health. I want to thank the police department, the human

services agency that is a part of that. We have staff here that will have comments about the program. We will have two steps in this program. The

first step in the program is making permanent to make sure the san francisco police department make unclaimed bikes available to community builds

around the city and this right now is the builds in southern part of san francisco but we

want to make sure they go city

wide so west side as well and richmond and chinatown can have access as well. The police

department has been very helpful in facilitating this program but

we wanted to provide the

community group with a certainty

this will continue in the future

and it will expand the program

for larger bikes for low income and transit challenged adults

laz and expanding the programs and others can benefit and more

generations can benefit as well and this will enable bikes to

really make a difference in people's lives. Lastly today we

have related the discussion about the bike registry program as well. That will enable

people that lost bikes to reclaim them through the

registration process that is

available so that's another tool to people that can claim their

own bike in the system so this

legislation will work in partnership with the registry

program. I know Mr. Crudo has

some remarks and we want show

the video showing the work in the communities. >> thank you Mr. Supervisor. I

will keep my comments brief. David crudo for the human

services agency. I would like to commend supervisor avalos on

sponsoring this change in the

ordinance. Historically want

department is the recipient of unclaimed bikes for kids

programs and we have a program

with the presid presidio cwca and transfer the bikes to them and they would teach kids to work on

the bikes, how to properly ride the bike and get the bike at the

end of the program. However the

vast majority of the bikes

recovered are adult bikes so we haven't been able to move that many into the childrens' program

but created a surplus of adult

bikes so we're happy -- no pun intended to recycled bikes back

into the community for low income san francisco and transit challenged individuals. >> great. I appreciate your work on that and now we're

looking to grow the program and make sure they're more accessible to greater

communities and greater members

of san francisco. Thanks. So jerry pollock who has been a big

part of this legislation and kind of brought this forward

through my office and he's my

legislative aide. He showing the video.

>> [Inaudible]

>> we were talking about and --

I think a tour of bike -- they were actually wanting to give out. >> we wanted to do more outreach to the spanish speaking and the latino community in san

francisco. We learned of this

opportunity to make sure of the

city owned unclaimed bikes and they need refurbishing but we

can get them in the hands of

youth and other people in the

community that May want a bike.

>> [Inaudible] Not have to think

about that and be more healthy

and conscious about -- and

environmentally [Inaudible] >>

[Speaking spanish]

>> I never had a bike. I know how to ride one and now I know

how to fix it and the brake and if it's on right. >> more and more when we're getting this thing about and learning about bikes and educating people I think the

next step is people -- like you want to have a monthly tour

where we go ride in the city

together and get people comfortable riding bikes. I was

born in mexico and coming from nothing to something my

community has already been here for me and I'm a product of my environment and I think it's my purpose to give back and

actually do good as I can and

pay off what's been given to

me.

>> so that's talking about partnerships with schools and as

we doing the videos in the

future so the skies the limit of

what we can do with this program moving forward. Lastly I have one minor amendment to the

legislation which is on page

three, lines 21 and 22 and

basically it's saying that we

would sell -- we would actually

distribute bikes valued at no

more than $500 resale value so

we limit the actual -- the more

expensive bikes will not be sold but $500 resale value means they're high quality bikes that

will get out on the streets so

the bike quality will range from

some fixer uppers and bikes used

for training or even competition

so it will be a huge benefit to

our communities and I want to thank jeremy pollack for working on the legislation and the community groups working on this and the bike coalitions and others as well so I have an

amendment of the whole to add

and is there comments or

questions? I know david chiu wants to speak and thank you -- would love to have your support colleagues.

>> I just have a quick comment as someone that bikes everyday

when I heard about this and I thought it was amazing idea and I want to thank you for bringing

it to our attention and the community leaders and am happy

to support it and be a cosponsor. >> thank you. Colleagues is

there a motion to approve the -- >> [Inaudible] >> oh any other questions or comments from others? Okay. Thank you supervisor avalos. We're now going to open it up to public comment. I have a number of speaker cards here and if I

call your name can you line up

to my left please. (Calling

speakers).

Come on up. Line up to the left

if you don't mind please.

>> good morning supervisors. I

am angela and a youth organizer at chinatown development center and work with [Inaudible] And serving the needs of the

community. Last summer we did a survey with three dozen children

living in the neighborhood and not bigger than 8 x 10 rooms and

only a fraction, a third at most

knew how to bike but everyone was interested in having one.

When we asked what are the

barriers? The kiz said we don't

have a bike and they don't think

about having a bike as a top

priority and this will get them

into the neighborhood and they will have a comprehensive program and what is the front

end and what is bike safety and getting helmets and fixing them

up and it's a tool for empowerment and somebody said

it's recycling the bikes but it's a teaching mechanism in the neighborhood so we hope that you guys support this. Thank you. >> next speaker. >> good morning supervisors.

Thank you so much for having

this hearing. Thank you for

introducing the ordinance. I am oscar with the organization

[Inaudible] And first I want to

give credit to the video videographer who is a resident balboa park high school graduate

and current staff over at juma

ventures who on the side does video so I think the video tells

a lot of why we do what we do in

terms of the bike build [Inaudible] And in spanish means gathering because it's a gathering. We have a three part approach. It's tools, education, infrastructure. The

tools are access to the bikes.

They serve multiple goals. Feeding two birds with one seed

we're able to -- and get bikes

in people's hands so they can

transfer themselves to school,

work, support our local corridors. We make them economically accessibility,

free, which is a huge barrier.

We decrease the reliance on fossil fuels and better the

environment and our community

network. As bike riders we see

things differently when we ride down the street. We're also

beginning the bridge or theory

-- or bridge and dismantle the

myth that people of color, that young people, that adults who have kids that we don't bike and especially in the southeast. We bike. We're out there we just need access to the bicycles. We need the tools and the education so we can ride safely. The

other part is education. Our

approach is mutual aid. This

program and the 1r08 volunteer community members and we decrease fossil fuels and the next is infrastructure. The next step is -- >> [Inaudible]

>> thank you. Next speaker. >> thank you. My name is sharon

brown. I am with power and I just

want to thank you for this and I

want to thank you and thank you for cosponsoring today

supervisor chiu. We came from this issue from them and we

learned about the program and similarly our members in the

mission and bay view had the

same fundamental issue of both transit access but also the issues of health and the environment that connect to

that, so we think this program

really is essential and a model

for other cities because we're taking something unused and putting in the hands of communities that need it so

people can access the benefit to the city and deal with the health disparities and the environmental problems as well so thank you for your support and we look forward to this

being passed and working with it

in the future.

>> next speaker.

>> good morning supervisors. My name is [Inaudible] Carrillo. I

will speak in spanish.

[Speaking spanish]

>> so I work with different after school programs across the

stay and I have to travel between bay view and the mission

and being able to ride by bike to these schools is the best

mode of transit for me and serves as an example to my

students this is a way they can

get around the city.

[Speaking spanish]

>> workshops like these are really benefited our students.

They helped us achieve and

develop a sense of independence, helping the youth develop a sense of independence. They

learn about bicycles and how to

repair the bicycles during these workshops.

[Speaking spanish] >> so these ordinance, this type of legislation is really important for our communities

and I want to thank you for taking it into consideration.

>> thank you. Next speaker.

>> good morning. Jane martin from power. So at power we have

been working for a long time around the affordability of

transit as we're in the crisis

with low income communities being displaced because of high cost. Transportation is a huge part of the monthly budget.

That's why we got involved in these efforts and other efforts

to make it more affordable. Biking is amazing affordable transportation option that can

change thing frs a family but

only if they have access to it so through this innovative collaborative partnership we have come up with a great program that brings bikes into the community that need it most

and the need is huge. Every service provider, every

organization that we approached

in the bay view that we asked if

they want to collaborate on a

bike build has said yes and the

last one in oakdale was a huge

success and exciting. We have members now with bikes and exercising together and it's

exciting to see and we have other members waiting so what is really exciting about this legislation we know for all of the families that haven't

benefited yet we can continue the great work so thank you very

much for working on this and we're exciting to see this happen. >> thank you. Next speaker and

i will call a few more cards.

Calling speakers:  . Apologys in advance for

butchering anyone's name. >> [Inaudible]

>> okay and you're what? >> [Inaudible] >>

[Speaking spanish] >> good morning everybody. [Speaking spanish]

>> I have been a member of this

group for three years. [Speaking spanish]

>> I have two kids. [Speaking spanish]

>> and I am here because I am in

support of the ordinance to give

bikes to community agencies. I

think it's really important.

[Speaking spanish]

>> like for example my son has been able to develop new skills

and how to maintain a bike.

[Speaking spanish] >> and through this we have been

able to help our environment.

We have been able to be better

off economically.

[Speaking spanish]

>> and so there's a lot of ways

in which this program has been

able to support the leadership

of my son who has a golf

questions and wants to be

involved in learning things. >> >>

[Speaking spanish]

>> it's also helped my son with

his health as a bike rider and

also with him talking to his

friends he's spreading this to

his friends, his message. [Speaking spanish]

>> so I would like you to support this ordinance. Thank you. >> thank you. Thank you everybody.

>> thank you. Next speaker. Next speaker.

>> hi good morning. My name is marilyn and I was born and raised in san francisco and I am

a long time member of bola and

thank you to this program I was

able to get a bicycle and it feels really good. I see the

city in a different way. I

actually went to places I

haven't been before or I was scared of and it made me

healthier and I have anxiety on

the road and I don't want to

drive because it scares me and the bike shared me more but

after it is workshop and the rules it became a lot easier to ride t I feel more comfortable

and thinking about the thing that everyone's talking about earlier, pedestrian safety, where going to these workshops teaches me and other people like about making sure the bikes are safe, making sure where you stop

when people are crossing so I think mixing that together makes it important for the city to give the workshops and also make sure that people know the rules about bikes, know that it's helpful in the community to have these and support low income people that want to be on the roads that can't afford cars but need to get to point a and point b to go ahead and do that and

it's health and he people like

bikes and all that junk -- not

junk, great stuff, sorry but

support this oand and help my

family members and I want to

stop borrowing my bike and go out and ride bikes and go out and be healthy. Thank you.

>> thank you. Next speaker. >> hello good morning everyone.

I am a resident of the bay view.

I coordinate the bay view

healthy eating project in the community which is kaiser funded

and I am here on behalf of our several groups and many churches in our community and also individual residents because we

care about the health of our

community. We've had an honor

giving a small grant to power

and sf bike coalition to do the

bike builds in the bayview community and have had two successful events and we see there is an interested and need and excitement for bikes in the

community and we see that also there's so much potential of

addressing the issues of the community. There's so many health disparities in the bay

view. There are high rates of

diabetes, heart disease, a lot

of obesity and biking is active transportation. We see that it's hard sometimes for our community to access healthy foods, health services and physical activities and bikes give people that opportunity, so

I urge you all to support this ordinance and from the advisory community, the bay view advisory community we thank you for your support. >> thank you. Next speaker and

i want to call a couple other

Calling speakers:  .

>> good morning supervisors. My

name is rimah and I'm a

recipient of a bike. What I think about access to bicycles i

have no access but to reflect on my childhood. Growing up I only

had one bike and my mother was a single parent with three

children and I remember riding

that bike until the wheels came

off because I knew I wouldn't

get another one. Growing up as

a black child there were only a

few children with bikes and

eventually we out grew our bike and in our community this wasn't

a reality and we believed that

you had to be rich or white to

own one and while the desire of

bikes faded away children

disassociated themselves from

bikes and like stereotypes like "black kids don't ride bikes"

and now I am seeing the effects

of not owning a bike. These same communities are the same

communities that face several

health disparities such as

diagnose, heart disease and had

my mom known riding a bike

reduces -- it's the easiest way to exercise I wouldn't be in

front you now 23 and obese. In 2013 I attend a bike build hosted by power and the coalition where I learned to properly use and the opportunity

to pick and repair a bike and

ride away that day. A year ago I couldn't imagine having a bike or riding one and each day I

have a new hobby. I ride each morning 12-miles to work from

ingleside to bay view. I am

free relaxed. I am burning calories but most importantly I

am breaking the norm was the community and supporting others. >> thank you. [Applause]

>> that's a good ride. >> hi everybody my name is [Inaudible] And I am happy to be

here and happy to feel the

support even though you haven't

stated yet and beyond giving bikes away being an organizer

it's the leadership coming out

of bike builds. Our youth

program has been working on environmental justice issue for 13 years and just dealing with

the fact that our communities

have been so heavily impacted

with environmental racism bikes have been a solution to build

their leadership in and our youth bike program about three years ago in the mission and what we realized that even

though there's a lot of bike resources in the mission those

resources are not available to low income latino families or accessible so I think really

this is the opportunity to not just give people bikes but make -- support the leadership of folks who are really interested

in a solution for bettering

their health and a solution for

not able to afford that expensive muni pass and the

solution for the climate we're all experiencing with this crazy drought and so some of the things we have been working on is figure out -- and this is

from the leadership of the bike

builds and a co-op in the excelsior that is accessible to people and more lanes accessible to our communities. There's all these schools that are interested in partnering so I think in passing this ordinance

not only are we giving the bikes but supporting the leadership of san francisco residents to continue bringing positive

solutions to the table and acting on them so thank you very much for supporting our ordinance.

>> thank you. Next speaker.

>> hi everyone my name is natalie gee and I'm a youth

organizationer and about a oz dozen of the youth participated in the program last year and

received a bike and from low income and working class families who otherwise couldn't afford a bike. Not only did the youth learn skills to fix their bikes some learned to bike for the first time and learned about bike safety so last summer the

youth that participated in the program ended up biking to the summer program everyday and now

during the school year some commute to school with a

combination of muni and biking

and those who also went to

college continue to use our bike

by campus everyday so the bike build program is really

important to our communities because it provides an alternative form of transit that

is healthy and environmental friendly and help them access different opportunities in the

city and I urge you to support this ordinance. Thank you.

>> thank you. Next speaker.

>> hi. My name is [Inaudible]

And with the san francisco bicycle coalition. We're

excited to promote this

ordinance and for bicycle for everyday transportation equitably throughout the city

and this will help the ongoing efforts. Poor san franciscans

pay too much to get around and

using these bikes with the community groups will relieve

this burden by providing affordable reliable

transportation. Thank you to

the hsa and sfpd and others of at this time community groups

both present here and other districts such as usf [Inaudible] And the tenderloin

and bike kitchen and many other groups we have demonstrated overwhelming need and demands for this program throughout san

francisco. We hope the city takes heed and adequately invests in these programs in all neighborhoods and on a personal note I want to say it's exciting over the past months to see this

grow and develop into what it is

now. Really it's been a dream and it's been a wonderful

experience for me. Thank you.

>> thank you. >> just to comment on that

testimony he has been a big part of making sure these things

happen and bring the resources

of the bike coalition do many much the. >> >> of the under served community and I want to thank you for your help.

>> thank you. Are there any other members of the public that would like to speak? Seeing

none public comment is closed.

supervisor, did you have I comment. >> I just to thank everyone

for working on this and the

agencies and I want to talk about the bike coalition and those efforts. I think the efforts to connect communities for whatever reason people do not think would be into biking

when the reality is there's a long history of biking in a lot

of these cultures and communities. I think it's

really powerful and I think it's

really creative way of making biking accessible to people, so

I am just very proud that so

much of the work is also happening in the mission so thank you very much.

>> thank you. Supervisor avalos are there any additional comments?

>> just I want to thank my colleagues for supporting this

ordinance. Thank you supervisor

chiu for -- President Chiu and supervisor for your drafting and cosponsorship as well and I hope you approve with recommendation to the full board.

>> thank you. So is there a

motion to approve the amendments to the resolution?

>> so moved. >> without objection that is passed. Is there a motion to move this forward with recommendation. >> so moved.

>> thank you. So without objection the item moves forward to the full board for

consideration. Thank you. [Applause]

>> congratulations. >> thank you.

>> Madam Clerk can you call the next item.

>> item four is a hearing hearing regarding the municipal transportation agency contracting process for the new

flyer hybrid buses to obtain additional information regarding

the contributing process and the

construction of the fleet.

>> okay. Supervisor camp os is joining us for this item. >> thank you Madam Chair and great to be back at government audit and oversight committee --

>> excuse me. Can everyone

clear the room quietly and have the conversations outside. Thank you. >> thank you Madam Chair and I

want to wish everyone in advance a happy valentine's day tomorrow so this is an item that I requested a hearing because I

really believe it's important

for us without pointing fingers

to really understand the process by which contracts are entered

into by various agencies. My

own experience is that you can tell a lot how an agency is

managed and the operations of

that agency how they do contracts, and and we all know

the board of supervisors has been working with the municipal transportation agency to shape

its five year plan to replace vehicles in its aging fleet and

we are grateful that there is a

move to replace many of these vehicles. We want our system

and our buses to be as reliable

as they can be, and the reason

that I called for this hearing

is because as was reported by

the sf weekly I do think there are questions that should be

answered with respect to the process that was followed for

the purchase of the vehicles at issue, 50 vehicles for $38 million. And specifically

and I know that we have a presentation here from the mta

and I want to thank Mr. Hailey

and his staff for answering all. Questions we had and the information they provided. I

think it's an opportunity for us

to really have as much transparency how the contract here happened, how is it that we

got to the point of having vehicles delivered to the mta

before the contract was actually approve d by the board of supervisors, and for reading that article and some of the information that has been put

out there you know it does seem that there's an argument to be

made that this contract happened

on a handshake and I don't know that's necessarily how you want

to see contracts being done, not

only by the mta but by any government agency, and what I am especially concerned about is

that at some point in the process of reviewing these

vehicles there was an internal

review that was being done by

the mta to decide what was a

better investment with respect

to the engines at issue, whether

or not bae engine or allison

engine was a better choice or better purchase for the muni

riders that ultimately have to use these vehicles, and in this

case the purchase at issue was

made at least it seems without a completion of the internal

review of whether or not one particular vehicle was actually

better than another. I am not questioning the decisions that

were made but I would simply like to get more information because from my perspective

before you make an investment of

$38 million and there is an internal review focusing on this type of engine is better I would

like to -- I suspect that you would to see that internal review completed before you go

ahead and make a purchase. I am

also concerned with recent

report that was also made by the

sf weekly that one of the buses

that was purchased, coach number

8711 which was one of 50 flier hybrid buss in this $38 million

deal took a very long time to

get to san francisco. It

arrived on January 17 after a 1900-mile journey from minnesota

and this was a journey that

began on December 18 and as a

taxpayer, as a rider of muni, I

do have a concern if one of the buses that we just purchased

takes a month to get to san

francisco, and from what I understand at least 10%, and maybe that's a number incorrect

and will be corrected today by

muni. At least 10% of the $700,000 hybrid buses failed in route to san francisco, and so i think that we have a

responsibility to make sure that when we make this kind of investment that the vehicles

we're purchasing for the use of

our riders are as reliable as possible. I am also concerned

that as reported in this article and maybe it's incorrect, that the information that you would

want a vendor to provide to muni specifically information about

the mechanical history of the

bus a question -- doesn't seem

like that has been provided so without prejudging this issue one way or the other I want to make sure that we have

transparency and at the end of

the day if one of my

constituents ask if we made a good investment? Was the

investment done in a responsible way that follow best practices

that we in fact have done that and to the extent that the

agency can show that I will be very happy, but to the extent that's not the case I think it's important for the public to know

that, so with that unless

there's any comments from my

colleagues I will ask if I May Madam Chair the mta, Mr. Hailey.

i think they have a presentation .

>> thank you supervisor. Thank you. I would piggyback my thanks for the opportunity to be here and one of the things that

will say and I appreciate the fact that you have recognized

for the last three or four years

when anybody asks us what are the things we're going to do to fix muni service one of the things we say is essential and a building block to do that is fix

the fleet, and it is been a tremendous help and a partnership between the board

and the sf mta. You have been

consistent and strong in your

support for not only using prop

k money for component overhauls

for also new purchases which we appreciate. I will also say

part of what we have done is

we're in the process of building and improving the reliability of

the fleet at the same time we're meeting and leading even the

nation -- excuse me, from an environmental standpoint with clean air because we remain -- as I will point out more

specifically in a minute. We

are able to improve our reliability by meeting the

aggressive environmental goals

we set for ourselves, so with

that I have put some information

together to try to respond to

the concerns that have been

raised and I think we're

pleased

to have this opportunity.

>> do you need assistance from

sfgtv?

>> we had it set up but bear

with me. I'm not going to read every slide to you. I think it's important as I said we

recognize the support that you have consistently provided us to

upgrade the fleet. This is

quick -- a quick overview that reminds you as we look at the

fleet as the oldest and most heavily utilized as any major

system in the country we moved aggressively through a number of means and campaigns as well as

new purchase toss figure out

what the right strategies were from improved maintenance to

campaigns on high failure components to bringing down the

age of the fleet and with your help and support we have moved forward on all of those fronts.

one of the things we did back in

2012 we joined the minnesota cooperative consortium which was a competitive process that was set up by the state of minnesota

that we were able to use to

purchase new vehicles in an expeditious fashion and in our

case when we went to the

minnesota consortium we engaged

in discussions with three

vendors. Settled on one and we

made in 2012 a purchase of 62

vehicle under the minnesota

consortium. Bear with me one

second. My apologies it's not

going forward, so what I will do

is to is the extent I can is

talk about this and the first group

of 62 and used in the routes

facility all across the city and

as a frame of reference I would

say 70% of the trips are on the bus system. It's really the

backbone of our system. The buses are hybrid technology that

allow us to meet the aggressive

clean air goals that we have,

and hybrid technology is still

in an emerging one, and even in

2013 only about -- just under 9%

of the buses purchased in the U.S. Hybrid technology and this

is the second generation. The

overwhelming of buses are clean diesel -- >> May I ask you a question n

terms of the 62 buses what engines were used for those buses?

>> thank you supervisor. In the

62 because it's new technology

what we did is have -- we split

the engines between the two

leading manufacturers, a firm

called allison and bae and the

first 62 23 were allison and the rest bae and that goes back to the fact this

is new technology so we talked

to our inside experts. We talked to our outside experts.

We talked to other people in the

country and there was not a lot of compelling information. We also talked to the vehicle manufacturers. Okay. What are

you selling more of? What is

the performance status? What we

did is agree in the first group to divide the technology and

conduct our own assessment of which one would perform and what

we decided to do when we conducted the assessment was

identify a set of factors -- a

set of factors that we could use and they're up on the board now

that we would use toest the technology, the few efficiency, the reliability, and in particular one of the things

that is important to us and we

will be back to talk about this

in some detail with the purchase

of the new lrv vehicle but a

concept of what life cycle

costing or maintainablity so in the first group we split the

difference and 23 allison and the reminder bae and we will

take a look at the factors and the information we have will inform the next decision how to

do it and the reason we did that simply is because there wasn't a lot of hard information saying

one was better than the other. >> by the way I think that

should be commended and the new technology and get 62 buses and

maybe two different kinds of engines and see how they perform. Can you tell me where the internal evaluation of the

two is right now?

>> yeah. It's ongoing because

what we did when we got the 62

-- the 62 case in and the last

ones were accepted in August so they began to go into service

and build miles to start the

evaluation, so the evaluation is

ongoing, and as I indicated in

the chart we are collecting

data. We will continue to use these four factors in looking at

the buses as a way to inform the

next series of decisions. I

would also remind the board as

part of the effort to replace the entire rubber tire fleet over a five year period we are

on the street right now with

another solicitation to buy

another buses, 30, 40 and

60-foot buses, so there will be a prebid meeting in the first week of March we will do that,

so part of as we go through that procurement process part of what

we will do is continue to build

data on the fuel efficiency and

reliability and apply that down

the road and from many perspectives you would like to end up with one technology but again I emphasize that this is very much still in the development stages.

>> do you have a sense of how

the two types of engines are performing based on your preliminary review?

>> yeah. We have a month or two

of data and I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it initially

let's say in the first couple of months as we build the mileage

up one of the systems, bae seems

to be better from a few efficiency standard. I think

there is some other features of

the engine that are -- May help us. It's important on the third

point -- I'm sorry. The third

point on the slide here for example the question was raised

well why did you in the second

round of buses you had 62. We

split it and the opportunity to

buy 50 came why didn't you split it again? Why didn't we choose

to go with bae? And essentially

we talked about it and looked at

it and again absent if you remember the time I will show

you the time table in a minute

but at the time we didn't have a lot of performance data to judge

so number one first and foremost

in this case and the bae engine and the purchase cost is cheaper

so that means in this particular

round we got essentially 2-3

extra buses. The other point I just want to make on this in the

case of our buses runoff an air system to the extent it controls

the doors, the brakes so to the

extent we res duce penetration of something like oil so those are the reasons that we simply said okay when we had the

opportunity and had to make a

decision we decided to go with

the bae rather than split -- rather than split it.

>> can I ask you overarching

objective is to do some of these

things and how are each of the

engines proving to be more reliability?

>> the good news is they're far

more reliable than the buses we

had before. One thing we are seeing quickly and we expected

this and it will move around

with more buses and more mileage

but what as we use as the --

bear with me. I just -- I'm going to

say the traditional method of

reliability for us is the what

we call mean distance between

failure and take the bus runs

and the denominator and the instances in the numerator and

with the buses and the different fleets of about 4,000. Now we're up over 11. We had months

with the new buses that are

performing well above that so

they improved the reliability. Versus one the other it's too

early in the process to say.

both are performing much better

than we had. Whether one of prevail stay tuned. That remains to be seen. >> that's a fundamental problem

that I have and I guess it's my

own -- it's a different perspective because I feel that

if you're going through an

internal review to determine

which one is more reliable that

before you proceed to purchase additional buses that you actually want to know the

question of which one is more reliable before you go forward

with an additional purchase.

That's what I don't understand

why if for instance I would imagine it's entirely possible that this internal review leads

you to conclude that the allison

engine is better than the bae engine; right? That's a possibility? >> it is a possibility.

>> so given that possibility but

we went ahead and invested an

additional $38 million to buy

the bae engine

why would we make that choice before the internal review is conducted.

>> okay what I put up here if we can put this on the screen.

this is the timing and this will explain -- I want to be clear

that the evaluation is ongoing. We're comfortable with the

factors that we have and will

continue to apply that and any

future decisions will be informed by what the factors

show us, but what we have is i

mentioned that in the new buses

came in in the spring, and the

first 62 that we split, so in May of this year, because prior to this the next scheduled purchase is 18 months away which would have given us a definitive study and data and we could have

made the call so in May of this year we're approached by new

flier and they said we had a

deal fell through and have a hole in our production line.

Are you interested in purchasing

more buss? We told them we were interested and look to get the

money and need to go through an approval process and they said

okay and they made us a sales pitch. We reviewed it. We felt

it was in the best interest of

the city. We forwarded it in July to the legal department and the city attorney's office and

reviewed it and we put it into the normal process which means

in July we started to prepare the documents and October 15 we

took it to the sf mta board. We

then brought it to the board of supervisors budget and finance

committee and to the full board

on the 29th of October. The

notice of proceed was issued on

November 6 and the first bus was

accepted on December 6, so in answer to the question "why

didn't we wait for the full

evaluation?". We had an opportunity to purchase buses

and a window because the window

was provided by somebody else

and I don't know whose contract

falling through, so what we

ended up was 50 new buses at a

price that is less than we paid for the 62. Regardless whether

it's an allison or bae it will improve the reliability of the

fleet. It will also move us to

reducing the number of diesel

buss in the fleet more hybrid

and it doesn't preclude later on

-- it's just more data available from continuing the study and applying that, so in essence the short answer to your question

was it was the timing.

>> when you begun the process in July and start talking to them

or May and purchasing the additional buses. At that point what did you know about the 62 buses that you had purchased

before? I mean did we know how

bae buses were performing relative to allison buses at this point?

>> not much. Again keep in mind

the buses started to come in at

April, May so the process is even as they're coming in you

begin to have to first of all inspect them, accept them, train

operators, so they didn't -- by

the time -- in the summer we

didn't have such data. They didn't run enough miles. >> I guess that's a concern I have to be honest. I'm not

going to be -- I mean I wouldn't purchase a personal vehicle that's less money without

understanding the reliability of

that vehicle, and if you at this

point just received buses in May

or actually April you said;

right? I would think you would

want to know more about how

they're performing before you

went ahead and purchased more

and the money you're saving you're still paying $700,000 a

bus. I don't understand why you

would not wait to have enough data about reliability before you purchased new buses, but let me ask you a question in terms

of one of the issues that has

been raised was that these buses were delivered to the mta before the contract was approved by the board of supervisors. Can you

explain sort of how that happened?

>> well, let me -- let me first

say that it was important when

we highlighted the date of the notice of proceed in November

there were no buses accepted or

delivered to the mta without a

contract. We followed the

letter of the process and went

through the legal process to get

authority to accept so there

was not and at the budget and finance committee meeting for

example on the 23 of October I

was asked a question by supervisor avalos he had some reports of buzzes were in the bay area. >>

>> and that in fact is true. I

said "yes, the buses were all

scheduled to be produced in 2013

and that new flyer was sending

them to the bay area. They were

sending them to alameda to a company ccw which they made arrangement to do work on the

buses and part of that was their

own decision that as they produced buses they had to move

them -- I think for nothing more than space limitations at the

plant in minnesota, so the buses

were -- some were some buss in

the bay area prior to the notice

to proceed but they were not in our possession. They were not

our buses and it gets to the

point, so it May seem like a

fine point, but I appreciate the

opportunity to explain it. On

the rt question on 8711 part of all of the procurements and the 62 and the 50 it's our practice

to have the buses driven by the plant. It is almost 2,000 miles

or around 2,000-miles and that

give us us an opportunity to

debug or break in the buses and

10% of 50 is five so five buses

broke down in route on the way

to san francisco. My personal

preference is that it's better than they break down there and

not after we have them in

service and reveals the

problems and we design them and get them here and with that particular bus that's what we

did with all of the buses is have them driven. On the point

of the maintenance record --

again absolutely right. We didn't have the maintenance record because it's not yet our bus. When the bus is accepted

by us the maintenance records

will be turned over so we know what problems that encountered.

>> so I mean -- I guess -- let

me just break it down a little

more. First of all if there is

a bus that you just purchased

that takes a month to get from

minnesota to san francisco to me

that's a red flag, and I don't

understand why you have to

accept a bus before you get the

maintenance records. I would actually think that that it actually it's putting the cart before the horse. I would want

to get the maintenance records

before I actually accept the bus because depending on what I find in the maintenance records I May

decide not to accept it, and so

why would I accept something without actually having all of the information about its mechanical history? I don't understand that.

>> well, we -- I think in the

process here in terms of

accepting a particular bus we

would go through and new flyer is responsible to make repairs

until we accept it so part of

what we do when the bus is turned over to sf mta on the property is develop a punch list

which is a list of components or

failures that we go through them

and all of them have to be

corrected and signed off and

inspected before we inspect the

bus so we know not only on the individual buses but on the data

and have a record of all of the problems the buses incurred.

There was a number of things

whether they related to software

or some mechanical problem that

were discovered while the buses were in route

and we will have the records to maintain the bus.

>> but do you have to accept the bus before you do that? >> I'm sorry?

>> do you have to accept the bus before you get the records? >> no. We don't have to accept it. Part of the problem is there has been a lot of give and

take if you will between us and

new flyer at accepting points on various points and whether something and we have given them notice that some of the things they have produced in the bus

are not working out the way we

want and given them a directive

to fix it. In some cases if it

occurs in a certain number of

buses then it qualifies as a

fleet defect and they need to address it that fashion. >> anything back to the 62 buses

were that purchased and some

allison and some bae how were they delivered? Were they delivered in the same fashion as

the 50 buss? >> they were driven by the plant in minnesota, yes. >> do you have a record of any of the buses broke down?

>> they did -- I think four

broke down. >> were they bae? Allison?

>> I would have to go back and check. I honestly don't

remember. I have to get back to you on that one. I don't remember.

>> I would certainly like to

know that if you purchased 62

buses, two different types of

engines and I want to know which ones broke down before I purchased anything else.

>> if you will indulge me one

minute I think -- this is gary

chang, the project manager. Do you remember?

>> [Inaudible] I don't remember an exact count. Okay.

>> hi. This is gary chang with

sf mta project manager for the procurement. Based on my

recollection there were some coaches broken down. However

the communication I have with

new flyer because the vehicles

are under their possession when shuttling the vehicles to muni.

So far I haven't been successful in retrieving that documents but

i recall there were a few that broke down.

>> out of the 62 and were they allison or bae coachs? >>I think it's a combination of the two. I think there were some of each. I have to go back

and double check the counts. >> okay. I certainly would like

to have that information. I

know I have more questions but I know the that President Chiu

wants to leave so I want to give you an opportunity to ask go questions.

>> thank you supervisor and my

apologies and I have an appointment and i

will assign this meeting over

and there were a number of

comments in the sf weekly that

were troubling and the issues

whether we went around an appropriate contracting process

and real competition here. I am sure supervisor campos will

continue to ask these questions. You have provided data around this that suggest that the

numbers are going up but I understand that muni -- you have been trying to get information around the mechanical history of

break downs and new flyer has

thus far re fused to give the data.

>> no, I don't think that's the case. If you're referring to

the one bus we have lots of data

and information that we exchange with new flyer all the time. It's not accurate. They are --

when we take over we will get

the bus and whatever maintenance history we need. They were -- the maintenance history that we're talking about again it May

seem like a fine point, but as

was pointed out when the -- the

bus broke down in route. It's

still the responsibility of the manufacturer to fix the problem.

>> so from your perspective we

have received all of the information that we could possibly want to analyze everything here?

>>I will go back and make sure

but I will provide the committee since I think it's an important question a written record of what we have and what we don't have.

>>I think that would be great, and then the numbers that you provided in your presentation shows that there is good progress assuming these numbers are true. How does this compare

to the similar rates for diesel

buses? >> well, you have -- they're

better than everything that we have. You May remember one of

the other things you supported

was a overhaul program for a sub

set, some 120 buses that are

manufactured by neo prim that

are diesel buses and they went

through an overhaul program and running between 400 and

5,000 miles, so that the hybrids are at this point well above any of our other fleets.

>> I'm sorry the diesel were

performing at 4,000-5,000?

>> yeah. The ones overhauled

are at that range and the older diesels that haven't been

rehabbed on the lower end to 27,000 to 34,000 in that range.

>> okay. I guess why I am

confused the chart shows until

2013 the hybrid buses and were

below 4,000 and suggesting

diesel is between 4,000 and

5,000 and seems to me they're

performing like the hybrid buses, or better than how they're performing.

>> we're at hybrid because of a combination of environmental policy and reliability as we

talked about, so what we're doing is trying to keep the

buses that we have as we change

out and convert to the fleet to more hybrid and in the best

mechanical order that we can, so

that's our plan. One of the

things in the chart you're

referring to, one of the

questions asked earlier this week was why did you consider

bae at all in light of what was

presented as a negative

experience with 86 that were

purchased in 2006 and the performance wasn't what it

should have been and one of the lowest performers in the fleet here that you can see in the

chart until a couple of years ago where we worked out an arrangement with them to fix

four components and now the

performance of the 86o ryan

buses has came up substantially

in the last 18 months or so and

we're expecting to see an improvement with that fleet and

part of it what I referred to

and the next generation of

technology for hybrid so we're

aggressively moving away from diesel to hybrid technology

which I think most of the

experts view as transitional until a full electorate is available and mass produced.

>> if I can ask one last question so typically in the

private sector when you purchase

new technologies you ask for service level agreements within your contracts. In other words, if it turns out that the technology breaks down there are protections that the purchaser

has to make sure that that the purchaser is protected. Could

you tell us in our contracts

what protections do we have vis-a-vis the vendors assuming

things don't go as we would have hoped? >> yeah, there are standards in

the contract if you will I have will gary walk --

>> yeah, I am curious.

>> sure. On the bae and allison

packages we the bought a two year bumper to bumper warranty

for the whole vehicle and purchased extended three years

vehicle on the propulsion unit so total five years on that

package alone and the plan for

muni is actually we do plan to

have a midlife overhaul so that will be placing and right timing.

>> okay. Thank you very much.

>> thank you. I just have a couple more questions

Mr. Hailey. We have heard

different people different

things about this contract. We have heard that some people

believe that the allison buses are out performing the bae buses

and that in fact the allison buses are not breaking down to

the same degree that the bae buses are. I mean is that

wrong? Is that incorrect? Is that -- do we know for sure

that's want the case?

>> what I would suggest so that rather than is I don't believe that's the case. I have no

information that shows me that's

the case, so what -- but I think it's important again to have this discussion and I appreciate

the opportunity, so what I will do is if the committee is okay with that I will provide you

with a written report of where

we stand and in a time table and

we can review it and go through that again.

>> I think that would be helpful and we know

for sure some of the allison buseses broke

down as part of of the original

62. Is that something you need to verify?

>> we will double check and get you that information as well. >> again the point I want to make sure I still think there

are questions about the reliektd

of these buses. You yourself acknowledge that the internal

review on the performance of these buses continues and that it continues with respect to the very important issue of

reliability. I am concerned

that we are notwithstanding the

discounted price that we're

still spending $700,000 without knowing which type of engine is better in terms of performance

and I worry about that because I

know that I -- you know, from my personal vehicle I would want to buy the most reliability vehicle

I can, and I think the same

standard this apply to vehicles

I bought on behalf of the muni

riders. I also have concerns

that at some point buses were

delivered and you can -- as a

lawyer I understand the technicalities, but that buses were delivered before a contract

was approved by the board. I

don't think that's how we want to do

contracting and I hope this

sends a clear messages to city agencies if you're engaging in that kind of activity that we

will make sure that we shed

light on it, and it's nothing to impiewn or to assume any wrong doing but I think it's important

to have that level of transparency, and the reality is

that it's very hard to undo a contract if an item has been

delivered and the board has not approved that delivery, and I

guess maybe I have a question

for the city attorney's office

in terms of a general practice

for the city Mr. Gibner when the

city purchases an item whether

it's buses or anything else is

the item delivered before the

board of supervisors votes a

contract if board approval is required?

What's the process?

>> deputy city attorney john gibner. I don't think I

can speak to the practices of

every department, but but in

terms I suppose best practice

and minimizing any legal risks

certainly delivery and

acceptance of the goods that are

being purchased or in this case

the buses generally should wait until the approval is final.

The contract is final because

the contract isn't approved until the board approved it

according to the charter

section. My understanding here from Mr. Hailey this was actually no delivery to the city and if I understand correctly

your question is really if the

city were to accept delivery would that create more of a risk

of liability? And I think the answer to that is yes.

>> okay. And what constitutes delivery Mr. Gibner?

>> I'm not sure I can answer

that question with a technical

answer although certainly

acceptance and possession factor

into it. I'm not sure I could

give a technical legal answer.

>> okay. Thank you. I think

that's it for me right now. >> thank you. >> thank you Mr. Hailey.

>> thank you. Are there any

other -- so with that I would

like to open it up to public comment. Any members of the public comment wishing to speak

on this item? Seeing none public comment is closed.

Supervisor campos is there anything else?

>> no Madam Chair. I would move

to file this item and I would simply ask as we move forward

and as we continue to do work on

the replacement of our fleet

that I think it's important for

us to excuse me, follow what we

can the letter and spirit of the best practices that should be followed around contracts and I do believe if we make this kind of investment that we still need

to know more about the

reliability of these hybrid

buses vis-a-vis diesel and also within which engine is reliable.

I don't have a horse in this

race. I don't have one preference over the other. My only objective is to make sure

that the money that we're using

is used to purchase the best,

the most reliable vehicle, and I don't believe we have followed a process that at this point

guarantees that so that's why it

was important to me so move to file this item.

>> okay before we close out this hearing I want to thank supervisor campos for calling this hearing and also I am glad we had the opportunity to have this really important conversation. I know we have been asked a lot of questions

about this and there have been

concerns. Unfortunately in

government there is an issue

with contracts. There is an issue with doing things improperly. There is a history in our country of these kinds of

things that are happening and so

when we see there might be a situation where something improper might have happened it is our responsibility as the

elected body to bring those things to the forefront, but I

do want to really focus on the high level questions here that

we need to address. Did the mta

or Mr. Hanly with hold information from the public

about the purchase and i haven't seen any information that

indicated that was the case of

the information was printed in

our pack get Mr. Hailey discussed it at a budget and finance committee publicly and I appreciate that because mta took the initiative to bring that to

the forefront and make it clear

to us that this company had

brought in this fleet without

any approvals, without any

commitment, without any

commitment from the city and mta

made that clear. Are these

buses going to substantially be

less reliable than their allison

counter parts? Unfortunately there has been no demonstration around evidence to suggest that

is the case and I think supervisor campos' raised a really important question is before we move in this direction

we should know what is the best and make the decision as to what is the best for the residents of

our city and I think that's important to follow up with us

to give us that information. It's my understanding that is

still being looked at as we speak and last and most importantly is the city at risk

with this transaction and I don't see any evidence that there is. There is no notice to

proceed from the mta or

purchase order. The manufacturer assumed

responsibility for the products without a purchase order and they knew they were assuming the risk and this type of production is normal for their business so

mta does not and would not pay

for vehicles until they are received, tested and approved and I think it's important to

stress that point. Does it look bad? Yeah, it looks bad that they would bring in these

vehicles all ready to go with muni stamped all over them as if they have an agreement, but

again they assume the risk, and we did what was our

responsibility as a city. I trust that mta did what they

needed to do and again bringing it to our attention in advance

to make it clear it was the case which I trucial appreciate and

at the end of the day yes it's

our responsibility as elected

members to bring these policy matters to the forefront and then it's our responsibility to move on. Everyday we are getting complaints about

reliability of service and it pains me that we can't put more buses on the streets because we have so many more people and

we're asking them to use public transportation but we make sure

we take the steps to make public transportation reliable. I will

say that we are of course going

to continue to keep a close eye

on this case as any other case

involving any other department whose actions are questionable as it relates to contracts but

it's important that we follow

the book, abide by the laws and address the issues properly and when there is an incident that

might be of concern that we are proactive about bringing those to the attention of not only the supervisors but the members of

the public to assure that these things are done properly, so and

for one am happy to be bringing

new buses on line. The sooner the better but more importantly

we need to always make sure we're following the rules of what the law requires as it

relates to contracts in any of

our city departments so as a result of this contract we're

going to have more reliable, more clean buses, and I'm

looking forward to the day when

we do have more trains on our

tracks as well. San francisco's growing. We building housing at an alarming rate. We have more people on the road. We have more people on bicycles. We have more people on public transportation, and wa we want to do is make our transportation

system the best and most reliable transportation system

in the city so that people getting out of the cars to use

it so again thank you for this

hearing supervisor campos and i look forward to continuing the discussion around this and I look forward to the follow through from mta as to a comparison on the two buses that

we're talking about so thanks

again. And with that we are

going to -- we have a motion to file this hearing to the call of the chair and without objection

the hearing is filed. [Gavel] >> motion to file. >> yes. Thank you. Is there any other business before us? >> no. No further business.

>> seeing none this meeting is

adjourned. Thank you all for.